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2015 because it feels like we're going to bear witss to a carnival next year. >> i think that's right, and i think john mccain ran on reform. >> yeah. >> all right, and that was an extraordinarily good six-word answer considering we're almost out of time. >> that does it for us. i'm dylan ratigan. "hardball" is up right now. herman squirmin'. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews up in boston. leading off tonight, staying alive. herman cain is brushing off calls from his own party to get out of the presidential race. cain still reassessing his campaign, but late today he ta...

Jonathan, respond to this. here's crain late today saying there's an effort out there to assassinate his characters. he lists a lot of villains here. let's watch. >> this is a character assassination on me. why? because i was doing so well. there's no other reason to basically explain it. secondly, this ginger white was having financial problems, and i was trying to help her and then, boom, out of nowhere, she decides that she's going to go public, you know, with this information. >> boy, you know, sometimes he sounds like trent lott. this is very ironic, but the same accent. anyway, your thou...

Lot of social conservatives. you now have the mike huckabees of the world and saying enough's enough. there's been so much of this. you have to address it. you have to be able to explain how all these women could be coming forward, making these allegations and lying about it, which essentially cain's contentious, that everyone is lying. the media, these women, all lying. >> politico's jim vandehei. in that riveting interview ginger white also talked about the future of cain's campaign. >> i can't make this stuff up. and, frankly speaking, i wouldn't want to make this up. >> should he end his...

Three hours from now, herman cain will talk about his way forward after a new scandal hits the presidential candidate. campaign manager mark block saying quote, there is no way he is dropping out after an atlanta woman claims she carried out an affair with cain for 13 years. block says only two things could push cain out. one, if no one shows up to his events or mrs. cain. the candidate talking to senior staff following the latest algation by telephone. -- allegation. >> now with this latest one, we have to do a assessment whether or not this is going to create too much of a cloud in some peop...

There is no way he is dropping out. >> that's right. mark blank says the term reassessment was meant to imply strategic reassessment and not reassessment of withdrawing from the race. we are joined by abc's karen travers in washington. hey, karen. >> reporter: good morning, rob, sunny. just a few weeks ago, herman cain was at the top of the republican field. now we might start playing the waiting game of when is he going to drop out. in michigan, herman cain made no mention of his latest controversy. new allegations that he had a 13-year extramarital affair. >> national security is the command...