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The president's former personal lawyer is backing out because of threats from the president and the president's current personal lawyer rudy julian oul giulia giuliani, but their relationship may be on the rocks. people say the president was angry after rudy suggested that he was probably trying to score a deal with russia throughout the entirety of the campaign. the president has not said or tweeted aou giuliani. joining me now is gabe sherman. the panel is also back. as you and i know, there is trump and trump people. where are you on this? do you feel this is real trump

Think he'd recall signing. >> i'm not saying the president wouldn't be wrong in this but giulia giuliani, saying he lied. i'm not sure he lied but represented the facts probably as he knew them and somebody else may have told giuliani there was no signed document. what worries me and concerns me the most about this is if you look at all the folks who are heading off to jail here, all of them lied about something to do with russia. and this is just one more example of something that, you know, he could have disclosed in the normal course of business and people would have said, i don't like it b...

Credit. i think they're stepping on their own feet. >> he said, the president will do an interview if it happens before september 1st. take a look at that exchange. >> he should put out his report, tell the american people what he has, and they can evaluate it. they're entitled to the information. he shouldn't hold it and try to manipulate the election like comey did. why did i say september 1st? a long time ago, two months ago, he threw out september 1st as a date he might be able to get the date done by. >> is it realistic mueller would have his report finished by september 1st or an intervi...

2017. none of them occurred in 2018. so this whole thing -- >> you just said something so important. there's so many things flying around. let's play rudy giuliani and dig into the timeline you just hit. leg legally, that matters. here's rudy. >> having something to do with paying some stormy daniels woman $130,000, which is going to turn out to be perfectly legal. they funneled it through a law firm. funneled it through a law firm and then the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know -- he did? >> now, what you're saying is, at the time of that statement, donald trump had actually and litera...

People have been repeatedly lied to by michael cohen, by david schwartz, the gentlemen that was interviewed by megyn kelly. he lied on this network repeatedly, lied on cnn repeatedly, lied on panels that i was with him repeatedly. they've been lied to by white house spokespeople. and they've been lied to by their president. the president stood on air force one, on videotape. and you had me on that day. i remember it very, very well. you had me on this show, the day that he made that statement, and i told you at the time that it was going to be proven to be false. and now it's been proven to be...