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To become for trump. >> a lot of people are comparing giulia giuliani's time in the white house to a shorter stent that we can predict. trump is said to have known about the payment to stormy daniels months before actually denying it on air force one when he was asked by reporters there. what do you make of this back and forth denials from president trump and his team with regard to the payment made to stormy daniels and his knowledge of it? >> it feels like they don't know how to address their problems with that payment. when rudy said trump had reimbursed cohen, that solved one problem, but ...

Calls to the end of the investigation with internal general jeff sessions. >> there's no obstruction of justice. everything he did, he has perfect regard to do under article 2. >> and let's bridge in shawn sullivan, reporter for "the washington post." great to have you here on this sunday morning. >> greet be here. >> kate, what did you hear in the new comments from rudy je l giulia giuliani? >> well, he's getting his facts straight. that's telling. saying he didn't know what he was saying on wednesday, he's still looking at the documents and still trying to get the facts straight. so it's har...

Preparations for biden. good news for biden, you know, we all talk about setting expectations. but the truth is, he's a fantastic debater. david plouffe -- no, david plouffe in his book said one of the reasons they chose biden in 2008 is because he won all the debates. he's a great debater. he's debated 14 times in 2008. you know, he's run for president twice. >> sam, you're laughing -- >> no, no. >> but joe biden -- >> joe biden is a very good debater. >> have you ever seen joe biden lose a debate? everyone talks about his gaffes on the road. he makes those some speeches. >> he never loses a ...