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We will give him every penny back. the only thing we don't think is fair is to confuse how we negotiate, the process of negotiating correctivel collectively. they've conceded every one of the financial issues and yet the governor seems to be fighting an ideological battle. explain the checks. connection. >> they didn't give in until very recently when the governor campaign order this.>> they did very recently when the governor campaign order this. the governor is not a johnny or scott come late pi. he campaign order this and said we're going to have to have give backs. and when he got elected,...

About? sure, this is a rough, raw thing. and i think that and the fact that president obama goated them with the talk about the assault on the unions are polarizing the country. i think republicans and conservatives will wind up with the larger half. >> mike barnicle, what do you think? who's winning this fight? >> it's hard to tell. first all, union membership nationwide among work serz 6%. public employees union membership is about 30% of the employed people in this country. they don't have the numbers on their side. what they do have on their side, i think, is this, that more and more peopl...

You can argue that is not fiscal. you can argue therefore you can introduce a bill to cancel the collective bargaining powers. that the unions in wisconsin have today. argue it's not a fiscal issue. is there a parliamentarian in the senate to make a ruling on this? say it's illegitimate? i'm not sure they had parliamentary issue in 50 years. obscure issue. quorum of 20 is obscure in itself, not sure it's ever been invokeed. why not split off issue of the bargaining rights and leave in place, untouch issue of give-backs, because the unions concedeed on the give-backs. once you pass the other st...

>> don't have to call them names. >> they took a powder to illinois rather than vote and do their job. >> i don't know you spoke giddish. union busting. just to reiterate that. i think thed media is reportingt as a budget issue. it's a union busting issue. >> it's not. >> the states are broke republicans when they were elected to office, taking away their collective far banning rights. ant eventually. i didn't interrupt you. >> bill: it is party politics. if you go back and look at the tape of the broadcast last night. we clearly laid out that the give backs were agreed upon by the union and n...

>> don't have to call them names. >> they took a powder to illinois rather than vote and do their job. >> i don't know you spoke giddish. union busting. just to reiterate that. i think thed media is reportingt as a budget issue. it's a union busting issue. >> it's not. >> the states are broke republicans when they were elected to office, taking away their collective far banning rights. ant eventually. i didn't interrupt you. >> bill: it is party politics. if you go back and look at the tape of the broadcast last night. we clearly laid out that the give backs were agreed upon by the union and n...