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Ambitious plan to change medicare medicaid and social security. so james, what do you make of governor christie's i guess you could call it presidential comeback strategy? some people have ruled him out. clearly not him. >> well i think he does have to do something to set himself apart. he's looking right now like he's in that second tier of candidates. he's not -- he's going to struggle to get the money and the voters that are now going to jeb bush. >> he's had some big donors step up recently. >> he has. given super pacs you don't need that many check writers as long as the checks are big en...

And he's a christian and let's get it over with. >> a lot of them -- don't we think hillary clinton would have found this out -- that's always been one of the -- mike huckabee used that one saying, don't you think that would have -- why does everybody believe that this is somehow not settled? >> i just can't believe there are that many voters that are still part of this birther movement. but i wouldn't be surprised given super pacs and the way they're controlling messages, there's probably somebody out there that are going to run a birther ad. >> the last thing they want -- romney's campaign i...

Greta, your basic point we aren't talking about real issues, we are talking about politics and symbols is exactly right. in my book i say we should be talking about the budget, ways to grow the economy and reduce the debt and deficit. we aren't doing that. we are talking about phoney wars on women, we are talking about extraneous issues involving advisers to campaigns rather than the real problems facing america, and we all lose as a result. >> you know, it's become such a taking sides and not look at the facts and issues and giving people a little breathing room on this. i guess i look forwar...

Greta, your basic point we aren't talking about real issues, we are talking about politics and symbols is exactly right. in my book i say we should be talking about the budget, ways to grow the economy and reduce the debt and deficit. we aren't doing that. we are talking about phoney wars on women, we are talking about extraneous issues involving advisers to campaigns rather than the real problems facing america, and we all lose as a result. >> you know, it's become such a taking sides and not look at the facts and issues and giving people a little breathing room on this. i guess i look forwar...