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Showdowns to get policy concessi concessions. if they were not doing this they would be in much better shape and nobody would be accusing them of trying to break them. >> would you put this this historical perspective as to when you were serving. there's debate about the unpr s unprecedented nature of this. we have had shutdowns before, do you see this as unprecedent? >> it's certainly a cull lminat of where we have been going. esra's absolutely right, it has become winning the battle and losing the war. all they care about is the immediate battle and if it doesn't bring them the kind of glory...

If they were not doing this they would be in much better shape and nobody would be accusing them of trying to break them. >> would you put this this historical perspective as to when you were serving. there's debate about the unprecedented nature of this. we have had shutdowns before, do you see this as unprecedent? >> it's certainly a culmination of where we have been going. esra's absolutely right, it has become winning the battle and losing the war. all they care about is the immediate battle and if it doesn't bring them the kind of glory indication they want, it just goes overboard. i went...