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Showdowns to get policy concessi concessions. if they were not doing this they would be in much better shape and nobody would be accusing them of trying to break them. >> would you put this this historical perspective as to when you were serving. there's debate about the unpr s unprecedented nature of this. we have had shutdowns before, do you see this as unprecedent? >> it's certainly a cull lminat of where we have been going. esra's absolutely right, it has become winning the battle and losing the war. all they care about is the immediate battle and if it doesn't bring them the kind of glory...

Which had this one demand, this vitter amendment this idea that you wouldn't let the federal government pay any employee contribution for members of the house or their staff, would you have voted that down in the senate? >> there's no way i'm going to vote for that. the bottom line is that the person that's answering phones in my office that's making $30,000 a year needs that benefit or they would be in trouble. all those folks over there in the house of representatives who don't want to have is that benefit, giving that benefit up when this debate's over with. >> they don't have to vote on it...

If they were not doing this they would be in much better shape and nobody would be accusing them of trying to break them. >> would you put this this historical perspective as to when you were serving. there's debate about the unprecedented nature of this. we have had shutdowns before, do you see this as unprecedent? >> it's certainly a culmination of where we have been going. esra's absolutely right, it has become winning the battle and losing the war. all they care about is the immediate battle and if it doesn't bring them the kind of glory indication they want, it just goes overboard. i went...

Which had this one demand, this vitter amendment this idea that you wouldn't let the federal government pay any employee contribution for members of the house or their staff, would you have voted that down in the senate? >> there's no way i'm going to vote for that. the bottom line is that the person that's answering phones in my office that's making $30,000 a year needs that benefit or they would be in trouble. all those folks over there in the house of representatives who don't want to have is that benefit, giving that benefit up when this debate's over with. >> they don't have to vote on it...

Can they filibuster, for instance? >> that's a great question. we are at a point in the process where we need unanimous content to the process. we need all 100 senators to agree to an expedited time frame. if we start a bill being presented on the floor -- ted cruz and mike lee have to make a decision like speaker boehner has to make that they're finally going to put their ideology back in their suitcase and allow a vote to happen. i think ted cruz stopped the process of moving forward in an expeditious manner and dealt with the consequences to the economy, that likely would be taking it even ...