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Time taking john bolton seriously. that's always been the case. but especially, now. i think on non-substantive grounds or at least in terms of this scandal, john bolton is clear from the testimony that has been released has tried to keep this drug deal, in his words, at arm's length. he has tried to stay away from this during his time in government. he wanted, as he said, nothing to do with it. that's pretty well-corroborated by multiple witnesses. i think the question becomes if he actually does have information that would be so revealing and revealtory, why not just go forward to the commit...

Hear from him, he teased you'll hear from me when i'm ready, but i think he's going to be watching what happens with kupperman first. he is a test case. >> look, i mean this is also sort of a legal hail mary. this is not a tough call. you got subpoenaed, go forward, take the fifth you take the fifth. this is hoping for like a legal equivalent of a doctor's note to say it's an out here. >> it's working in case in terms of denial and delay and that has been a core white house strategy from the beginning. also i think it's a function of the polarization of the courts. maybe they will get lucky an...

Zuckerberg still defends their position, calling facebook merely a platform. is this fine-tuning like throwing deck chairs off the "titanic"? mark benioff last week said stop calling yourself a platform, you're a publisher. the publisher of today and the future. >> right. i think there are a lot of people who certainly want to see mark zuckerberg go forward. and i think you're likely to see that when mark comes to testify in front of capitol hill just in a few days. there are a lot of democratic lawmakers who sit on the house financial services committee who have said openly that they think th...

Believe they would reach their goal by the end of the decade. or their god in any case he said we were ready to take on such a challenge either khrushchev said well then we must think about it what no more. so while it wasn't yet clear what the kremlin leader would decide it was clear that the us program would soak up huge resources and any soviet moonshot would cost at least as much. was very torn did he want to could he even invest so much in such a vague project. he was ready to be forced. to swallow when me but if you will have a bad 1000000000 have been of the bin to. me that got a little...

Impressed with the level of detail we are already getting. and keep in mind in an indictment you are putting in just the information you need to get the charges done. but there's much more to this. and, look, with regard to how this points to the president, the president's either approving rudy giuliani doing this working with these guys. we've got him in a phone call with the ukraine president saying i want you to talk to rudy about investigating biden. or he's looking the other way while rudy goes out and finds mercenaries to do the dirty deeds. i don't know which is worse. but he really can...