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frustration with manafort not with the prosecutors. do you suspect this d.c. judge will go harder on him? >> you're saying if you do it hard enough you'll get it. they got a life sentence from judge ellis. i predict this. judge jackson will go postal. she is a former prosecutor and what paul manafort did is he agreed to cooperate all of this responsibility and he lied, lied i lied. i predict she will probably give him five to ten years consecutive because of the light sentence that judge ellis gave. >> not concurrent. >> consecutive or give ten concurrent so it gets at least ten years. zb >> i actually think it is just
injury, a facial cut, or nosebleed. to identify the killer, dna samples were collected from the two suspects, bob johnson and curtis pope. dna testing revealed it was curtis pope's blood at the crime scene. >> if darrell north had not taken some steps to defend himself, this case wouldn't have been solved. >> would have never dreamed that, you know, firing somebody, you know, would cause somebody to, you know, go postal. >> darrell's family couldn't believe that the man whom darrell had mentored in business and treated in many ways like a son could have done this. >> not until the day they came out here to the house and told me that it was his dna that had been identified did i really believe. >> the bruises police noticed under pope's eye were probably the result of the fight. >> and i was able to examine his
darrell may have used it to defend himself, causing an injury, a facial cut, or nosebleed. to identify the killer, dna samples were collected from the two suspects, bob johnson and curtis pope. dna testing revealed it was curtis pope's blood at the crime scene. >> if darrell north had not taken some steps to defend himself, this case wouldn't have been solved. >> would have never dreamed that, you know, firing somebody, you know, would cause somebody to, you know, go postal. >> darrell's family couldn't believe that the man whom darrell had mentored in business and treated in many ways like a son could have done this. >> not until the day they came out here to the house and told me that it was his dna that had been identified did i really believe. >> the bruises police noticed under pope's eye were probably the result of the fight.
darrell may have used it to defend himself, causing an injury, a facial cut, or nosebleed. to identify the killer, dna samples were collected from the two suspects, bob johnson and curtis pope. dna testing revealed it was curtis pope's blood at the crime scene. >> if darrell north had not taken some steps to defend himself, this case wouldn't have been solved. >> would have never dreamed that, you know, firing somebody, you know, would cause somebody to, you know, go postal. >> darrell's family couldn't believe that the man whom darrell had mentored in business and treated in many ways like a son could have done this. >> not until the day they came out here to the house and told me that it was his dna that had been identified did i really believe. >> the bruises police noticed
defend himself, causing an injury, a facial cut, or nosebleed. to identify the killer, dna samples were collected from the two suspects, bob johnson and curtis pope. dna testing revealed it was curtis pope's blood at the crime scene. >> if darrell north had not taken some steps to defend himself, this case wouldn't have been solved. >> would have never dreamed that, you know, firing somebody would cause somebody to, you know, go postal. >> darrell's family couldn't believe that the man whom darrell had mentored in business and treated in many ways like a son could have done this. >> not until the day they came out here to the house and told me that it was his dna that had been identified did i really believe. >> the bruises police noticed under pope's eye were probably the result of the fight.
body. darrell may have used it to defend himself, causing an injury, a facial cut, or nosebleed. to identify the killer, dna samples were collected from the two suspects, bob johnson and curtis pope. dna testing revealed it was curtis pope's blood at the crime scene. >> if darrell north had not taken some steps to defend himself, this case wouldn't have been solved. >> would have never dreamed that firing somebody would cause somebody to, you know, go postal. >> darrell's family couldn't believe that the man whom darrell had mentored in business and treated in many ways like a son would have done this. >> not until the day they came out here to the house and told me that it was his dna that had been identified did i really believe. >> the bruises police noticed under pope's eye were probably the result of the fight.
the ones that go postal. that is an unfair comment and they call it going postal. >> you look postal. you look like a going to a ball, a post man's ball. >> it is the grimace for oppose meant. >> why are you blaming the post man for the fact that you don't get any male. -- any mail. >> i was laughing so hard split blew across the table. i will move on. jill, was that you that said that when he was on the screen. >> that lady like, mmm, that was jill. >> i will jill has a much lower base. and you refer to the lawyer as the punk's attorney. continue it be great if it was phil? >> that would be nice. but it what's president.
since a few months you have a sort of burning of the debate, a climate of hatred which is not without a link with what happened. of course, you cannot put a cause and an effect. but you cannot disconnect the two completely. that's what we say in our book. when you burn the words, you have burning in the grounds. >> so mark, you've written a long piece in "vanity fair" about this. what's going on? why does this happen in america so often? >> well, when i wrote my book, "going postal," i was interested in this particular crime because these mass shootings in workplace, first they started actually in post offices, which is why they call it going postal, then they moved on to sort of the private workforce, and then to schools. they've turned out, first of all, you can't really profile these killers because they could be really anybody. so i decided instead to profile
we talked about going postal, right? okay. postal workers have government benefits. they are members of a union. they're not the victims of income inequality. furthermore, this fellow in tucson was a student. he was 22 years old. is 22 years old, i guess we should say, because he did survive the attack. and there's nothing -- no facts have come out that suggest any kind of economic angle to it. so it seems to me that you're just -- you're not saying anything that you wouldn't have said if you had been on this show two weeks ago and i don't see what it has to do with the situation at hand. >> when we come back, we're going to talk about whether the political climate produces political violence. this is the question of the hour. we'll be right back.