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"trump" and "take a hike." we know vice president mike pence had also appeared earlier as a headliner but if that kind of reception was expected, why did you want to go? >> because i think we've stopped listening to each other in american politics. i think it's a real problem. and so i was not unaware of the fact that it was walking into the devil's den, so to speak. if you're thinking about running against the president and you're walking into the equivalent of a trump rally, probably not the greatest of spots to go. but i think it's important just out of respect to go and hear the other view...

>> congressman sanford, you now know long-term thinking is something that doesn't exist here in washington d.c. thanks for coming on and sharing the views. when will you make an announcement? >> i said i'm going to give it a look in terms of deciding go versus no go. >> all right. we'll touch base on labor day. now on the topic of russia's attacks on our democracy, who better to talk to than one of the victims. john padesta was targeted personally in the russian interference campaign. he is founder and director of the center for american progress. mr. padesta, thanks for coming on. good to t...

Whether everything goes out the window because it wasn't ever about the deficit? >> well, my belief is, i mean, you have to remember, ari, i've been in politics both as a two-term governor, you know, 12 years in the united states house of representatives. i bet i've had thousands upon thousands of different meetings with folks at the grassroot level. and so i don't think that their belief system, that small business person that i've talked to, that soccer mom trying to get their kids to and from soccer practice. whatever the case might be, you think about those people that make up the republic...