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To attack me. and how my gonna react. toyou can bet that all these candidates are thinking, who will i take on, hello my viral moment to be with so i can break out and more people will see me at this debate. for somebody like chris christie he's really lost an opportunity with trump not being there. for someone like rhonda santas, he's gonna get mauled by the other people on -- he's the most logical person. >> he's currently sitting in that alternative spot. if you're ron desantis, we saw this super packed of debate memo strategy memo come out. what would you be advising him to do? i agree wit...

That they would peers to use a great word that andy just used the attorney client privilege in terms of how they're gonna react politically, which, if you're donald trump, the political and the legal reaction are one and the same. it's one note and it's the note. we've been hearing for 56 years, which is which hunt? and they're going to claim that this is the biden justice department going after him. it's unprecedented to go after a never mind former president but after a current candidate for and that's what they're going to claim now, that is one of the main reasons. why dividing justice dep...

Some is strategic. they saw they would need tha wider show of force. and those people who might b unarmed or dress for a norma day -- would certainly be harder fo the capitol police to deal wit if it was all -- >> i mean, there's a big difference between having -- and having 50,000 people at th capitol. when you're in a crowd, whethe you're a football fan wore - whatever it is, in the protest people get caught up in crowds and do things they subsequentl would not normally do. and subsequently, especially i this case, they are regretting and the very hard to control once you're in a crowd - you...

Here for you. >> what was it like to hear the fbi was paying attention to this? >> that it's really real now, this is the real thing. >> we never know how families are gonna react, obviously. but almost in every case, they're in a state of crisis. >> reporter: mark thundercloud was the leader of a special fbi hostage negotiating unit, formed precisely for an emergency like this. more than a dozen agents descended on the lunsmann house, covered the windows, set up a surveillance system in heiko's kitchen, and got ready for what they knew was coming, a demand for ransom. >> negotiating really wi...

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