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Racism is a gospel issue, and until evangelicals like you understand that, you're never going to get a new generation. because your whole group is dying. it's shrinking and the group that's growing are young and multiethnic evangelicals making a statement and you should read it, please read it today. it's change.org. >> sir, i wish we had more time. i wish we had more time. thank you very much, anthony, and reverend jim wallace. i'm sorry we don't have more time. more "a.m. joy" after the break. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the audi a4. with one notable difference....

Chief, and that's clear that pope francis, this is a hard issue for him. this is an opportunity to rally people around this and say it's unacceptable not to pass immigration reform. this is a justice issue but it's also a gospel issue. i don't think you can be a catholic in the congress and go against that. >> i also think that the religious right has a lot of influence so it's positive to have a religious leader of the status of the pope having a more progressive view on the issues of the economy. >> will the american religious right, and i'm thick of the evangelicals, are they going to liste...

>> you have said that this is much more than a political issue, this is a gospel issue. so help people understand what exactly is biblical immigration? >> well, i don't speak in terms of biblical immigration, i speak in terms of our biblical mandate to think about immigrants not as issues but as persons. that doesn't mean that we're all going to agree on how to fix this problem, but it does mean that we do have a sense of needing to have compassion upon the people around us in our communities who are part of a broken system. >> and in fact am i right that you once said that jesus himself was a...