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President nixon, he didn't want to just beat his political opponents. he wanted to destroy them. and the same way with donald trump. in that case, they are similar. but, you know, this is a different time here in the second decade of the 21st century. and the country has changed a lot. you know, in these theories of evolution, we talk about what happened to the dinosaurs. they were yesterday's animal, and they got to be extinct. if the republican party isn't careful, that's what's going to happen to them because they may be able to push through the kavanaugh -- railroad through the kavanaugh n...

For example, when clarence thomas got approved, when the anita hill case in the early 1990s, one of the things going for thomas is so many people of african-american heritage were pulling for thomas. they're not pulling for kavanaugh. >> you want to talk about that, carl, because my question too, carl, is what has happened to the republican party? i try to understand and figure it out every day, and i just don't get it. i don't know what happened to them. >> well, i think the republican party right now has been captured by donald trump. it's moved rightward for the last 20, 25 years. and trump...

Got to make it through that hair and -- >> no, everybody knows his classic hair there. all right, let's move on to something else. let's go to the politics of last week, what was supposed to be the start of the grown-up conversation, the debt ceiling and the 2012 budget. some people say this was just the start of the fight and some are even saying president obama's the one who started this. >> listen, here's one thing i think we learned from this week. they went ahead and approved the deal that president obama, speaker boehner and senate leader reid put together. that got approved, that got si...