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She's moving up but bernie's moving down which an interesting sort of dynamic. she could become the sort of anti-biden in the race, potentially. you're not going to tag kamala harris with that, and you're certainly not going to tag joe biden with that. and so i -- i worry -- i never really worried a lot about that or worry about it a whole lot less. >> i was going to say don't underestimate what warren's doing attacking big tech. as opposed to bernie who's saying i want to give you anything and everything -- >> she jumped up. i mean the policy stuff is working. i don't think in the end it's go...

She could become the sort of anti-biden in the race, potentially. bernie is now. you're not going to tag kamala harris with that, and you're certainly not going to tag joe biden with that. and so i -- i worry -- i never really worried a lot about that or worry about it a whole lot less. >> it's not going to happen, if it did, it's a loser. >> don't underestimate what warren is doing, attacking big tech, as opposed to bernie who says i want to give you anything and everything. >> she jumped up. i mean the policy stuff is working. i don't think in the end it's going to work. interesting later in...