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Talking about negotiating. he's got a good team. i'm not reflexively bashing my president here. but he's got to be careful how he uses words. he's doing this, a very defensive, "i feel threatened" gesture. it shows people that you want to be removed from the situation. you want to be protected. it's not actually the body language i would coach my president to use. nor that language. we have to be strong, it's a real threat. >> that language is also at odds with what secretary of state rex tillerson said just days ago. >> what was odd to me was that trump just won a great diplomatic victory ove...

They're still evil, just a smaller empire. >> i agree. >> i want to correct your history. when president clinton, very bellicose, threatening military action against north korea, kim jong il backed down. he backed down. he stopped his nuclear program. he let the united nations put cameras in and for several years that nuclear development was frozen through a combination of carrots and sticks. the chinese were important to that, as well. we're in much worse shape now because they have nukes. they did not 15, 20 years ago when president clinton was dealing with them. the two options are war or c...

China as well, saying china needs to exert pressure on north korea in order to halt their weapons. >> i think that donald trump's unpredictability is actually a benefit when it comes to dealing with other countries. where it becomes a problem is with rallying the american public and holding us together. that's when you need the moral authority, that we believe the president, what he says. i think, you know, domestically, in terms of keeping this country together at this very perilous time, donald trump is not in good shape. i'm actually a little bit relieved that he is -- i'm okay with the fac...

They're sending a message to china as well, saying china needs to exert pressure on north korea in order to halt their weapons. >> i think that donald trump's unpredictability is actually a benefit when it comes to dealing with other countries. where it becomes a problem is with rallying the american public and holding us together. that's when you need the moral authority, that we believe the president, what he says. i think, you know, domestically, in terms of keeping this country together at this very perilous time, donald trump is not in good shape. i'm actually a little bit relieved that h...

They will range death and destruction on the capital city. then whatever follows that, are they going to engage japan, launch any kind of other attack? and it will start the war that will probably end his regime. so we do have options, but all of them are bad. the best option of course is not to have to fight. if we can get through some sort of diplomatic effort. if we think that the north koreans are going to diplomatically remove their nuclear weapons, i think that's not going to happen. >> general hertling, we had ambassador baucus on earlier, saying that he believes china would get involve...