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Choosing, not the other way around. and that's why i think you see desantis playing the circling again but, still having that respect, so to speak for trump, where he won't engage him directly. >> and here is the thing, it's 62 to 20, i don't even know if that's the alternative. yes, a scooter is an alternative to a maserati, but i don't know if that's the option people really want. i mean, carlos, i gotta ask you this, the other question that hits me, there seems to be a fundamental bind that republicans running in 2024 are going to face. they have to say, one way or the other, how they stand...

When i finished law school in 1968, i had changed. i changed because america was going through a transformation to create inclusion, equality, freedom, justice for all. but i don't think rudy changed very much during those three years. and when i look back on it, that was a missed opportunity. - this guy is somebody who's an opportunist and who's always been very able and willing to adjust to whatever's coming, you know, politically, and to sign on what's next. - he was an independent until reagan got elected, brought him down to washington, right? all of a sudden, rudy's a republican. if you ...

- this guy is somebody who's an opportunist and who's always been very able and willing to adjust to whatever's coming, you know, politically, and to sign on what's next. - he was an independent until reagan got elected, brought him down to washington, right? all of a sudden, rudy's a republican. if you look around, i think his mother at one point said, "he's not really a republican. he just wanted those jobs." [laughs] so... - we can continue this in a-- - rudy was always expedient. and rudy understood politics. rudy was appointed by reagan. he was not above understanding what one needed to d...

He said we should -- he signaled he thought they should have been way more forgiving about rape, incest than the party allowed. you can't break away from that when donald trump is giving you cover, it's difficult to see how you have an off ramp. >> yeah. and mike barnicle, think about where this republican party has been since joe biden got elected. we're talking about election denialism, about the lies about paul -- the lies about paul pelosi, all the lies. a lot of people in mainstream media that bought into the lies quietly that were calling around that weekend, telling me, i think there's ...

[laughter] i'm god fearing thanks to my parents and then on some precip tommy in school. but i am no preacher. i've tried to walk my faith as all of you have. i stand here inspired by the preacher who is one of my only political heroes. i've been saying -- i have to political heroes. my entire life when i started off as a 22-year-old kid in the east side of the civil rights movement. got elected to benefit senate when i was 29. wasn't old enough to take office. to heroes. bobby candid the, i admire john kennedy but i could never picture him of my kitchen table. but it could bobby. and no malar...