connective tissue between oppression, subjugation's, environments where folks are degraded and demeaned, the reason why there's so much pain around those issues is because you feel isolated. i know african americans feel like no one understands, -- feel like they're in a very unique position, jewish people, from the holocaust, still very isolated, from what i've heard, in terms of folks really understanding the pain, all of our pains are so specific. and yet there's universality to it. if you understand that there's something underneath connecting it, it makes you feel a bit less alone. that's how i felt when i read the book. i'm connected to these people, through the social phenomenon. and it provided a bit of, i don't know, it had a liberating quality. >> i think one of the things that struck me about the book, and this comes up in the movie as well, is the idea that when