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With us. general, first of all, what did you think of olena? she represents the incredible bravery of a people who are not going to fold to vladimir putin. >> you know, when she was talking it dawned on me that is exactly what vladimir putin has underestimated, is that kind of resolve by the ukrainian people. and i, frankly, think that she -- this woman, we ought to hirer if hurt u.s. state department. her for the u.s. state department. neil: so, general, when you see what's happening there, the enormous -- obviously, those holed up in shelters and hiding out in their homes, most of them with ...

Held back on that start treaty we were trying to get more on it. and biden came in, five years or nothing. and the next thing russian hackers hit the colonial pipeline, zero consequences, instead 16 industries that putin should not attack and again, what sort of resolve does that demonstrate and nord stream two pipeline, these were congressionally mandate that had biden waived. neil: and senator, i understand where you're coming from, if you think about it, you can go back, you know, ever since the fall of the berlin wall and administrations that sort of guessed at vladimir putin and the russi...

Presidents of either party. is it safe to say to we, as a country, underestimated him and are ruing the day? >> neil, i think you're exactly right. this approach that you described has been quite naive and i don't know why people didn't wake up in 2014 when putin stepped in and took crimea. he's looking for weakness. your last guest likened him to a shark looking for blood in the water. after the fall of afghanistan he saw weakness on display like never before. en you've got putin stepping in and his friend, president xi standing and encouraging him. neil: senator, i know you're at cpac, let u...

Maybe even longer in certain sectors of the russian economy, neil. neil: yeah, if you think about it, the ukrainians when they hear upwards of month to take effect. we don't have a month. jacqui heinrich excellent reporting. and the swift, you hear acronyms, society of worldwide intercommunications, that's a mouthful, it's the way it's commerce and liken it, some people similar compare your ability to wire money or have money wired to you. there's an underlying system and network that allows for that across the globe, across the virtually the entire earth in the 200 countries and so that make ...

That putin had about 150,000 assembled, there were up to 200,000 in and around the large sort of 10-mile radius around the border, but it was probably 150,000, not all combat forces. if some of these numbers are true, about half of them have penetrated into the country and are in the country. what that could mean in the next step, anyone's guess. let's go to senator bill hagerty that sits on the senate foreign relations committee. very good to have you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> good to be with you, neil. here from cpac today. neil: got it, senator. we were speaking to a woman...