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I think the fact that tps is included is important. the tps population is similar to the daca population. some of these individuals have been in the united states for 18, 19, 20 years u and they do did he ne deserve a permanent solution. hoping they will at least consider making a counterproposal, a counteroffer to the president, perhaps that would deliver permanent protections for daca recipients and the tps population. >> but you're already hearing from people like ann coulter and i'm sure we're going to hear from some conservative republicans saying this is amnesty, and there she is. trump ...

She said, 100 miles of border wall in exchange for amnesty. millions of illegals. they're human beings. if we grant citizenship to a billion foreigners, maybe we can get a border wall? we voted for trump and got jeb, the former governor of the great state of florida. trump says, usa doesn't discriminate against immigrants on race, class, exct cetera, bu it is if you're within walki walking -- and it goes on and on. if ann coulter wouldn't allow marco rubio to do immigration reform, and she won't allow donald trump to reopen the government, then how can you call this a both sides problem? it is...

Now? >> right now there's a big game going on in washington of who's going to blink first. as the shutdown heads into its fifth week, if the government isn't funded by tuesday, there's more than 800,000 workers that you mentioned that will go again without a second paycheck. and politically, that makes this a really tough situation for those senate republicans, particularly those who are in more purple states, states with more democratic voters. they could be seeing a lot of political trouble for this. i think the question really is here, is whether or not the sides can come to any sort of agr...

So nobody trusts him. he changes the rules. he pulls the plug. he says one thing. don't forget, a bill to fully fund the government passed the senate and the house, and trump then pulled the plug and mitch mcconnell, who is absolutely as complicit in this as donald trump is, pulled the plug on that. this is republican nonsense. it's republican b.s. it's a republican shutdown. we're happy to negotiate but we're not negotiating with blather, b.s. and trump phoniness that he's exhibited his entire career. >> look, back to the whole ann coulter thing and the twitter feed, susan, it's no secret tha...

>> exactly. sorry. >> tea party senators and then -- >> you have business executives, neurosurgeo neurosurgeons. real estate moguls. >> we've still got a few senators in there. >> yeah. >> but they are all tea party senators. those guys were rabble rousers. they ran against their own party's establishment. each of them. including rubio. back in 2010. so it's -- the establishment is completely discredited in this election. >> i guess i wonder real fast just in terms of anybody's exit from the race can shape anything setting aside donald trump. is there someone in the middle tier of candidates d...