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They're not seeing their lives improve. and i think that's what's making the president quite nervous. the other piece is this president focuses consistently on the campaigning phase of the job and not really -- isn't really quite interested in the governance phase. and the governance piece is really making sure the tax cuts he and his party pass actually trickle down to regular americans and they have not and will not. we knew before it was pasdsed and when the president was touting it, it would help his cronies and friends and members of congress who were republicans. and now we see as we get...

The other piece is this president focuses consistently on the campaigning phase of the job and not really -- isn't really quite interested in the governance phase. and the governance piece is really making sure the tax cuts he and his party pass actually trickle down to regular americans and they have not and will not. we knew before it was pasdsed and when the president was touting it, it would help his cronies and friends and members of congress who were republicans. and now we see as we get closer and closer to 2020 the president will be an ofull-fledged campaigning phase, but he will have ...

>> oh, indeed. here's the thing, chris. we need someone who understands not just the candidate phase but the governance phase as well and i'm not sold on that. the answers i've heard this far are middle of the road which not every democrat is a progressive. i think there's space definitely for stacey abrams because we have a myriad of divisions in the party which hopefully someone can join the democrats from across the country. however, when you really listen to what he is saying, he's saying a series of nouns and verbs but no policy positions. that was a statement that honestly anyone could h...

Have to work from as much common ground as possible. no one person and perhaps no one party can force the decision on this. this has to be something that america comes together on. >> you know, one level that's a very evasive answer. he does not take a position. but one of the things i have noticed and you referenced 2008, there is a constituency of voters, particularly in the era of trump and they felt this way after bush, talk of coming together and consensus. that is a powerful message among democratic primary voters. it has in the past. >> oh, indeed. here's the thing, chris. we need someo...

But that's not the only qualification. someone is going to have to put forward some ideas. you can't just be i'm the candidate against trump. what are we doing about flint? what are we doing about puerto rico and the border and the caravan crisis? we want a candidate who has a substantive policy agenda and not just -- >> do we want ideas? >> i mean, hopefully so. >> have we not become a culture that is obsessed with personality? >> there are sort of two things and a lot of democratic voters want this attention, right? the candidate in the campaign phase and there's a candidate in governance ph...