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Because that pigment on the surface was taken, but the design is still there. A good example is van ness and ellis not too far from here. And there is a corner building, beautiful onestory brick building. And you see shadow over shadow over shadow. I think its to me, its almost like the vandals are laughing at us. Larry, did you want to respond to that . Yeah. So, we photograph all the tags and the inspectors go out and look at them. If the actual tack has been removed, then the graffiti is considered removed. The fact that the ghosting stays there, it becomes a very difficult thing at what le...

Would be where i would want to be. If they showed they made the effort to remove it, unless its extremely bad, i think theyre doing their Due Diligence to try and remove the graffiti. All right, thank you. Do you want to is that one red or is that because there was red and it was asked by the same person. It was red and then asked by the same person. You know what, i can see a bunch of hands up here. Iv see this guy back here with his hand up a couple a half hour now. If im going to be honest about it. So, were going to have him ask your question. Yeah, this is to dpw, but how do you cite your...

Products are safe for use on all heritage buildings. And so thats how weve been able to handle our heritage buildings. I think most of my experience here in the states is it has more to do with the qualifications if its designated listed historic property, then it tends to shift over to the qualifications have to be somebody that has a certain degree and conservation or that kind of thing. So, its probably similar. Its some qualification type program. Alrighty, thank you. I have a question over here. Somebody get back here, if i could get you to stand up. Your name is frank . Yes. Ive got two ...

Just one quick comment on antigraffiti coatings for those in the talk. This is a repeat. But we have to be very careful in selecting those materials and methods as well because sometimes just the coating alone can do more damage to historic fabric than not having it. So, we have to be looking at other strategies besides what i call it, what glue do i use. We have to be looking at strategies more on the prevention end. Are we using motion cameras, lighting, sprinkler systems, relandscaping, fencing. The more we do, the more successful were going to be. On the preventive end well have a quick qu...

Historic building, if were talking about the white house or the national monument, you know, well always get usually find people who are super well qualified. And then if its you know, if it were my house and it was built in the 1920s, i might get more ghosting. Its just a matter of not me. I would do a good job. [laughter] but i think theres a whole spectrum there. And sometimes its just a matter of understanding what the resources are and awareness of the resources so you can find the people that can help maybe reduce the ghosting in the first place because, honestly, once you get ghosting, ...