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Congressional affairs. greg, i'll start with you on this because we were talking to mike about what this means to terms of the congress. this is a crime lying to congress that is pretty rarely prosecuted what do you read into mueller's decision to choose this as how he's going to go forward with this plea deal? is he setting the stage for other things? >> i think he's doing two things. he's signaling to other witnesses that lying to whether it's kr it's congress or the special counsel team is a serious matter and those that lie will be prosecuted and he can gain some leverage over them in that...

Wab post and greg bauer who also worked for the fbi's office of congressional affairs. he's been gracious enough to hang out with us for this hour and give us his sharp i sights. gr -- insights. i know this prague meeting with ken is something that interests you. why do you think this is a fulcrum of this investigation? >> it will be interesting as michael cohen now has apparently decided to open the kimono and share everything he knows with robert mueller. if he goes back to just denials about visitsing prag sitting pr don't know. we'll find out as the facts on the mueller team come to light....

Loir lawyer in that case to be admired. he's been looking for his own roy cohen, why would he demean the hearings in that way? >> danny, it looks like this may sort of give us some clues into where this goes next, but let's just underscore again, and greg touched on this, but the importance of having michael cohen cooperating specifically with the mueller probe as opposed to we know he was working with the southern district of new york. >> over the last few days we've talked about wikileaks and jerome corsi and roger stone, but all of those crimes require inferences and connecting dots. from t...

The same months when he is talking so warmly about putin, his right hand man, his top lawyer was continuing to very a add individual -- pursue a trump tower in moscow. >> greg, what is your take on this? >> i think we're going to see a much more robust effort on the part of chairman schiff to get to the bottom of these facts. and that trump tower meeting is a key fact that hasn't been fully developed, at least publicly. we'll be interested to see what the mueller team knows about that. it seems to be a linchpin of much of this investigation. >> we were talking a little bit earlier in the show ...

With what cohen said, they're in trouble too. >> all right. jill wine-banks, danny, thanks to both of you for your insights. greg, you're going to stay with us we'll are coming back to you later on in the hour. coming up, what you need to know about the russian born businessman and former trump associate with a criminal past. his role in the efforts to get the kremlin's approval for a trump tower in moscow. you're watching msnbc.