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To which that's a freak occurrence. >> and in fact we've seen his approval rating go down over time. we know there are vulnerable congressional republicans particularly in the senate like cory gardner. what would break this is first order concern, even by the most ostensibly anti-american -- >> there's never been a situation where the republican has been the one calling for the shut down because presidents are usually -- this is a way be congress uses to get leverage over a president who usually wanted to govern. >> that's a good poirnt. it's inverted. when we had boehner and the house republi...

Shutdown in 2013 in that fall and we have gring rch. >> i also think one of the things starting to change is so far we've had a catastrophic presidency but the kind of material consequences for people who don't live in puerto rico have not been super manifest, right? this is the first time we've seen our norms shredded, our standards shredded, our constitution shredded. but you don't see people dealing with the kaunwith the consequen. >> i thought pelosi move was fascinating. basisically she's playing cards she can play and this is a pretty smart one because she does control who speaks in the ...

Around to spread the president's desperation. it's laid bear. if someone loved him, they'd get him a pet. they don't get a better version behind closed doors for the most part. so there's lot of desperate need to have this issue go their way because i don't know how the shutdown ends. >> and the it constant reporting from last night. the gist of it was they knew an oval office address was a thing. >> saw it on "west wing." >> but they decided to roll it out on this. >> the last big shutdown we're bumping up against one of the shutdowns between clinton and gring rch. >> this made you older than...