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Zielinski picked up speed in september. i met him in kiev and asked for an interrue and he agreed in principal. our teams prepared for the lo gisices of taping an interview. on september 19th "the washington post" reported the whistleblower's complaint revolved around ukraine. shortly thereafter the ukraine's pulled the plug on the planning. of course, none of us were aware of a secret campaign to pressure him nor he announced an investigation into biden or his son on gps. we'll hope to be able to bring you an interview with him at some point. let me bring back richard, neil, and ronna. wher...

For more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column. let's get started. let's get right into the events of the week with today's terrific panel. richard haas is the president of the council on foreign relations and a former director of policy planning at the sate department. neil ferguson is a senior fellow at the hoover institution. and ronna is a global economic analyst for cnn and has a new book out called "don't be evil, how big tech betrayed the founding principles and all of us." ronna, what do you think of what i just said about facebook? >> well, i think it was a prov...

Going back to a reset no matter who is in office. we're not resetting to the '90s. i think china and europe are moving in different ways in the rules of the road. it will be interesting to see where europe goes. china is one belt, one road infrastructure plan is also about rolling out 5g and 5g standards into europe. >> very quickly. you said you think we're at the start of a new cold war with china. you think it's that serious? >> yes. i agree, but i'd go further than richard and ronna. i think cold war 2 has begun and the trade negotiations is distracting people that the tech war is more imp...

Let's get right into the events of the week with today's terrific panel. richard haas is the president of the council on foreign relations and a former director of policy planning at the sate department. neil ferguson is a senior fellow at the hoover institution. and ronna is a global economic analyst for cnn and has a new book out called don't be evil. how big tech betrayed the founding principles and all of us. ronna, what do you think of what i just said about facebook? >> well, i think it was a provocative position, and i like that part. i think that you can argue the idea of whether faceb...

Fray reign for tech is over. you wrote a terrific book, the square in the tower. what -- do you think we're in a new age of regulating big tech in. >> well, the question is how. i agree with ronna that section 230 of the communications decency is the akilly's heel of the tech companies. that's why they would rather washington went down the road of anti-trust. they can win that fight or at least protract it. it's a far less serious threat than removing or removing section 230. just to be clear, because i think most viewers and legislators don't get this. the key is text 230 is it's the catch 22...