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Has the —— potential to disrupt what is happening in ukraine and inside the russian border. and aside from the spectre of violence which you evoked there, another scenario is how this could potentially put russian authorities in a bind. if you have a situation where prigozhin is, has been, we don't know at this stage, arrested — where would this leave the wagner group? we know that those soldiers who had been so pivotal, so important in this conflict.— in this conflict. here is the problem — in this conflict. here is the problem that _ in this conflict. here is the problem that vladi...

Counterattacks. but that is a real key element in what they are saying here. the ground forces that cnn has seen, cnn has seen evidence in the belarusian territory north of the capital kyiv going south. there is some evidence they have been crossing here. are these then, the ground elements, going to be used for what vladimir putin signaled will be kind of program, purge against the leadership here? we have had western intelligence services, both british and american talk, about lists of politicians that need to be killed and jailed, potential resistance leaders. we know military headquarters ...

Finally crack and say, we can't tolerate this, we're going to use air power and strike their ground elements? that's the next step. >> do you think we get there? >> the europeans are very reluctant to do that now. i think we would have to have calamity on a much, much larger scale and heaven forbid that should happen before the europeans feel like they will enter the conflict themselves, which effectively they would have to do. it's very interesting, general mccaffrey mentions the syrian recruitment process, that the russians seem to be doing. that's really smacks of desperation. because the s...

Impact on the outcome. i think it's a political decision at the highest levels. nato can clearly knock the russians into the next world in a 30-day air campaign. they can take out their ground elements, which are still inviting targets. so the question is, is nato there? the answer is, no. and is the president prepared to risk escalation? i think the answer is, no. we need to understand -- i don't think world war iii is in the offing. i think that's nonsense. putin is so over hid head. 60% of his ground capability is in ukraine and half his air power. so it's a question of, are re -- we going ...