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pressure arizona governor juicy to overturn the presidential election results. saying that if enough fraudulent votes could be found, it would overcome trump's narrow loss in arizona. we are learning about the content of this conversation for the first time. to already know trump and doocy spoke after the 2020 election. fact. trump tried to call doocy while he was certifying the election for biden on official government livestream. on november 20th, 30 30 -- 2020, d.c. was signing papers to end the election as he did in front of the press. you have to listen closely, you can hear hai...

election, we're still uncovering more attempts by donald trump to overturn results. according to a new report in "the washington post," president trump tried to pressure doug ducey to overturn the election results, saying if now fraudulent votes could be found, it could overcome trump's narrow loss in arizona. we're learning about the content of this conversation for the first time. we already knew trump and ducey spoke after the 2020 election. trump tried to call ducey while he was certifying the election for biden on an official government live stream. on 2020, ducey was literally ...

This, part of it is that kennedy is a long time anti vax activists, who is made conspiracy theories around covid vaccines and virtually all other vaccines center to his campaign. and he is backed by far-right figures like steve bannon. he also wins praise from donald trump, will be running against kennedy in the highly unlikely event that he would win the democratic nomination. just like the ex president, kennedy likes to portray himself as anti big government, anti establishment, and an outsider. or becker -- points out in new york magazine, can these core identity is, quote, as an insider. a...

She joins me now. she's a writer at large for new york magazine. you write about the, quote, horseshoe coalition around kennedy's campaign. anti-vaxxers who shop at whole foods. far right authoritarians. how has this group coalesced around him? >> well, it's coalesced, he's very proud of it, and he himself refers to it as a horseshoe coalition. he's proud of pulling from both the left and the right. the way that they're coalescing around him is in his sort of what he is spreading is distrust of institutions, distrust of elections, distrust of vaccines, distrust of medical interventions, distru...