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In the democratic confines within the caucus voters, the real zealous people in the party, that war was the issue, the opposition to it, and the fact that she had voted for it i think really gave an issue to barack obama who as a state senator was out there in chicago in probably a liberal district and he voted against the war without worrying about it. she hedged her bets and voted for the war, and i think that was her biggest impediment to winning. i don't think she has that kind of impediment this time around. >> no, and she learned how to communicate with working class folks. if you rememb...

Immediately becomes over vietnam. he seems to be mad that hagel took issue with him about iraq and compared it to vietnam being the big blunder, which, of course, mccain and hagel both served in. you know, when mccain talks about iraq, all he wants to talk about is from the surge on. it's as if everything before that didn't happen and didn't count, and we can still debate whether the surge worked or not, but the bigger issue is whether iraq was as bad as vietnam, and he doesn't want to have that argument. >> here is mccain sinking his teeth into hagel's ankle here, and he wouldn't let go on th...

>> you know, the horror of vietnam, where i wasn't -- i always point that out -- the guys who were, into the jungle, fighting an enemy you couldn't see. there were no p.o.w.s in the jungle wars. they didn't take prisoners. you know, what we did with ours, we turned ours over for god knows what kind of treatment. that was a horrible war. the p.o.w.s were the pilots shot down and used as bargaining chips, but the war itself was even worse on the ground. it's fair to say guys who had to fight the ground war, the grunt war, like hagel saw it in all its horror. >> and complexity and the knotty dile...

Required. >> you know, the horror of vietnam, where i wasn't -- i always point that out -- the guys who were, into the jungle, fighting an enemy you couldn't see. there were no p.o.w.s in the jungle wars. they didn't take prisoners. you know, what we did with ours, we turned ours over for god knows what kind of treatment. that was a horrible war. the p.o.w.s were the pilots shot down and used as bargaining chips, but the war itself was even worse on the ground. it's fair to say guys who had to fight the ground war, the grunt war, like hagel saw it in all its horror. >> and complexity and the k...

With barack obama? not only did she join forces, she worked hard for him, and she was his very loyal secretary of state. and i think for people all over the world, that goes a long way in building up their admiration for her. this was a woman who lost the campaign, but when she was called on, she gave it her all. >> let me ask you, governor, you're as good a pol as i know. my question is what did she learn? somebody said just recently the secretary herself said the lessons she learned looking back was she had to be a better communicator. well, that covers a lot of territory. i think what hurt ...