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Plan. they were going to unveil a plan. they were going to do that in las vegas about two weeks ago. about 48 hours before that speech, the bipartisan senate group came out with their set of principles and the white house backed off. the president decided not to unveil his plan. it's always been sort of held out there as a if you guys fail, then we'll unveil ours and we'll push this. this is where mccain is half right in his analysis, i think, which is, look, i think the president wants an immigration plan. the idea that he doesn't want an immigration plan, i think they're playing with fire wi...

Certificates. transcripts are readily available. they kind of make sure, those transcripts kind of tell us when you were in the united states and whether you were here before you were 16 or not. there's going to be a lot of documentation they're going to be able to get that's readily available to them. you've got to translate the birth certificate from the country to english. you've got to get photos. you know what? there are a lot of people that really want to help them. there's going to be this infrastructure that's being developed across this country. >> real quick, why do you think neither...

Don't you just make yourself legal. >> right. >> and, of course, sometimes you get a little -- i'm a masochist, this is so much more fun. >> right. >> people don't even understand that there is no process for people like me to just come forward and get in the back of some line. that doesn't even exist. and the fact that i'm guy also brings up the fact that i can't say my way into it. >> there's technically the process that you could return to the philippines. >> and septembaccept the ten-ye baus barb. i've been here since i was 12, i pay taxes. >> i'm not going to get into that. the question i...

Stuff we heard from republicans, it takes us back frankly to before when john mccain actually did support immigration reform. it's the same stuff we heard from republicans. the trick about it is, and i think the latino community remembers, they remember the debate in 2005 and how divisive and ugly it was. they remember what john mccain was going to do then he voted against it. they also know a lot of what he's talking about continues to undermine american workers. it's not creating good jobs with benefits. he's talking about guest worker programs and the same kind of programs that continue the...

>> that's right. >> because the republican congress will not legislate that green card on to the diploma. >> ari had a great thought about the stapler. it makes you think of staples, the one company that may succeeded. >> if you listen to the story that he said, it's the same old stuff we heard from republicans, it takes us back frankly to before when john mccain actually did support immigration reform. it's the same stuff we heard from republicans. the trick about it is, and i think the latino community remembers, they remember the debate in 2005 and howdy vicive and ugly it was. they remembe...