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What does he mean he acted on his own? he gave $130,000 to his own money that had he to a home equity line of credit out on his house for someone he never had a relationship with. >> he was a lawyer for the trump family over a period over a decade. he did all kinds of things. >> lawyers don't pay their own money for clients. >> well, joe, maybe you don't. maybe you don't. >> no lawyer would do that. >> if you took it more to heart, i can say this i know michael cohen he is a very smart lawyer. >> no lawyers pay their personal money to settle a case for a client. >> okay, jack, jack, jack, if t...

Being open or closed would be relevant if cohen were truly handling this transaction on his own, as he claims? >> yeah, but it's at the end of the day, don it's all irrelevant. this is ridiculous. a monthing a this was just another salacious trump story. he called fake news. it's one of a million scandal he had in the last year that was going to be another thing that blurs the last thing you heard about him. and wasn't really going to have legs. it got legs and became a national news story when his own two people his lawyer and his press secretary -- osh the white house press secretary went on...

She couldn't talk about the case until the two events events happened. understand it and own it. i don't know who whose bag of water you are carrying. here the bottom line until michael cohen did that until the press secretary did that stormy daniels had defied it publicly the same way trump had done. >> why did they go to you. >> please. >> why did they go to joe if there wasn't anything there? why don't joe tell us when they went to him because they knew that his. >> he is a lawyer. >> this guy -- hold on. >> jack because that has nothing to do with anything, if anyone ever ever used an atto...