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Spheresly loyal to donald trump as we know. >> yes. >> has he done a good job representing his client here. >> no, don, i don't think he has. first of all, the idea that he would have -- look, jack -- congressman kingston is right that we haven't proven yet or no one has proven that this is a campaign finance violation. but it strains credulity first of all as joe and joan are saying to think he would have gone out and done this of his own volition without any motive. >> david stop there. you have a juris doctorate. >> i do. >> does that stand up in court even though it strains credulity. beca...

>> he work for rahm emmanuel he is such a non-partisan guy. >> that's that doesn't marry matter. >> it does. >> you're trying to distract from the facts of the case. >> here is the facts of the case. here the facts of the case. and i'm going to. >> what's the facts of the case the president sfad he never had an affair. >> joe my turn now, joe. >> we'll be right back you guys will talk about it after this. be right back. >> to now we got a commercial. i'm worried i can't find a safe used car. you could start your search at the all-new carfax.com that might help. show me the carfax? now the car ...

Press secretaries said they addressed it. they haven't. they have said the president addressed it. he has not. and they are going to face more questions about it until they do. so back with me now joan walsh david kingston, dave swerdlick and joe tacapino. clearly, the white house really hasn't addressed this at all. can they get away -- oh, oh did we lose him? can they get away? i'll ask that for david. joe are you back? >> i'm here. >> you're up there in canada and so we are having a little technical difficulties. >> the water might have frozen. >> i did not touch the switch, joe i'm. >> jac...

I think it does matter. injury the lack of a signature matters. i think that joe is absoluteliright, that that became a bigger story when michael cohen stepped in it and sarah sanders confirmed there was some kind of agreement. i do think that the next shoe to drop has to be that michael cohen comes out and says that he had the affair with stormy daniels because nothing else makes sense. nobody else goes and gets a home equity loan to pay off a porn star. >> exactly, except you know what's coming next high pressure. here is what's coming next. she has proof. if in case goes any further she is ...

Effectuate the payment. >> joe, does this raise a question about why the office being open or closed would be relevant if cohen were truly handling this transaction on his own, as he claims? >> yeah, but it's at the end of the day, don it's all irrelevant. this is ridiculous. a month ago this was just another salacious trump story. he called fake news. it's one of a million scandal he had in the last year that was going to be another thing that blurs the last thing you heard about him. and wasn't really going to have legs. it got legs and became a national news story when his own two people hi...