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Spheresly loyal to donald trump as we know. >> yes. >> has he done a good job representing his client here. >> no, don, i don't think he has. first of all, the idea that he would have -- look, jack -- congressman kingston is right that we haven't proven yet or no one has proven that this is a campaign finance violation. but it strains credulity first of all as joe and joan are saying to think he would have gone out and done this of his own volition without any motive. >> david stop there. you have a juris doctorate. >> i do. >> does that stand up in court even though it strains credulity. beca...

Hoodie is not a crime. this is a terrible tragedy. but the incident that happened happened -- >> shooting somebody in their chest. >> let me finish. >> let him finish. >> because a young black man was just murdered in chicago for refusing to join a gang. >> wait. hold on. david, david, david, david, david, david, david. david, david. stop both of you. mo! mo! stop. david stop. david, do not do that false equivalent. that is not -- >> but outrage -- >> but, listen. >> i'm not comparing -- >> it happens all the time and because it does not mean that you should shift the focus of what happened he...

Representing his client here. >> no, don, i don't think he has. first of all, the idea that he would have -- look, jack -- congressman kingston is right that we haven't proven yet or no one has proven that this is a campaign finance violation. but it strains credulity first of all as joe and joan are saying to think he would have gone out and done this of his own volition without any motive. >> david stop there. you have a juris doctorate. >> i do. >> does that stand up in court even though it strains credulity. because michael cohen believes he has iron clad document that they violated. >> yo...