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Over these most sensitive issues. just one quick point on what can be done. i do think that there are -- there's no one fix, but there are things that can be done in terms of limiting access to assault weapons and especially the high capacity magazines that make mass shootings so possible. that can be done within the existing, i think, supreme court framework on gun laws that you would think people could get behind after situations hike this. chris: gillian, there's no question, i mean, just as a statistic that there has been an increase in white nationalism in recent years, right? >> statisti...

E.r., the fact that a black job applicant is less likely to have a call back on a resumé, even an identical resumé, just if the name is considered character istically black shows part of a bigger pattern. chris: beyond those big, systemic issues, one of the specific complaints about your term as mayor in south bend is that you have failed to put more blacks on your police force. again, the statistics. when you started as mayor in 2012, there were 29 black police officers or 11% of the force. now there are 15 black police officers on the force or 6%, which raises the question, mayor, if you c...

Coming up. and that was before we had back to back mass shootings in one night. so i think there's a desire out in the country to have washington talk about this. i don't know if there's agreement on what should be done about it, i suspect there's not, but there are things that could be done. but i do think the gun question is one that voters are thinking about even if politicians don't quite know how to get around it. chris: guy, we've got about a minute left. your thoughts as a conservative about -- is any gun control even of these semiautomatic assault weapons off the table? >> i think it's...

>> well, the challenge of recruiting diverse officers, again, is a national challenge that has gotten even more difficult for mayors and police departments in the post-ferguson era. there are fewer and fewer young black men and women who could ever even picture themselves wearing the uniform. but we've got to change that. as a matter of fact, we have a recruiting window open right now in south bend, and we're continuing to work to change that. now, in the areas where i have direct control like appointments, for example, the board of safety that oversees the police department and makes discipli...

The shooter is linked to statements, some are calling it a manifesto online, berating the idea of mexican immigration, calling it an invasion of our country. which raises the question, would there have been a lot a store is paso over a weekend -- el paso, and do you think that that perhaps that's why he targeted el paso, because you're right on the border with mexico? >> we are the largest u.s. city on the mexican border. we're, our region is a population inclusive of what is mexico and southern new mexico of two and a half million people. el paso is 84% hispanic to begin with. so, and we have...