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Them to white house -- to the white house for meetings that we still need to know more about. it was just extraordinary but i would say when we look back on it, we might see this as a day when there was really a feeling that the whole mueller investigation was really starting to tighten and then the alternative is the gun question. not that congress is going to agree to everything that president trump said but that the weather has changed on gun control and we may look back and see this as a day when we changed. >> it may be, and willie, jon meacham may be right. this may be a sort of "lord of...

Convince fdr. this is at least -- i'll say this. president trump is going to make historians' jobs a lot easier because all we'll need is a digitized form of fox and friends. and we can just work out the time line that way. and the thing that worries me most about all this is this is all happening again in the absence of a genuine and time consuming crisis or set of public policy objectives. the gun question is hugely important and i think if he actually believed what he said yesterday, that's great. but like charlie brown and lucy and the football, i've learned to at least wait a couple of da...

Americans think tighter gun control laws and background checks will prevent more massive shootings. why the disconnect? >> first of all, i think they want to be able to have the discussion without the pressure of saying they're going to have the discussion. if that you pit it on the calendar and don't get anything done, it's gung to be a problem. the one interesting fact here, the sheriff issue -- >> his claim to amazing leadership. >> that has i think changed the debate. what it has allowed for potentially is a way out of this debate. for some republicans it may have been uncomfortable talkin...

2017. president trump said to mike pence, hey, mike pence, why don't you go as well. because mike pence was not going to go. turns out mike pence did go, but it was because mike pence wanted him to go. thought it would be a good idea. donald trump actually had a scheduling conflict already. but the point is, he's actually very involved behind the scenes in some of those evangelical moves. >> all right, david brody, author of the new book "the faith of donald j. trump." thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, aaron. as the nation debates the gun question after the parkland massacre, how much ...

You were a congressman, why was the nra powerful? they were powerful because they supported people from either party who supported gun rights. there was their model and it wasn't stupid and they got a lot of democratic votes as recently as a few years ago they got democratic votes against an assault weapon ban. >> so, bill -- >> and now like everything else in america, they've gone totally partisan, it's become tribal politics. >> you'll remember the time in the mid-'90s when i was here and you were starting the "weekly standard" this gun question was really open to debate. >> absolutely. >> d...