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Relevant b as last week's lotto ticket. if the governor and his consequen concillaries believe they put a stop as to whether or not he's on the gun side of this grand jury investigation, i think as joan said, they're sadly mistaken. >> thank you both for your time tonight. still ahead, hitting back against the billionaire boys club. democrats are using what worked against mitt romney to expose the koch brothers. also, you won't believe which republicans are actually trying to get advice from donald rumsfeld. here's a hint -- they have big plans for 2016. plus, a strong new sign that the presid...

They've made in some states. is that a fairway to read as a success or no? >> it's a trend in most of these social issues we're talking about. we're going in two different directions as a country out in the states. the red states are getting redder and more conservative on some of these issues and the blue states getting more liberal on some of these issues. with gun control, 80s one of those issues where all the passion is on one side and on the pro gun side and on the gun control side, it doesn't have the ability to produce votes or influence congress but you're right. at the state level and...

Between now and then? >> it will take a miracle. >> no way. >> not before -- >> or something more -- a tragedy, or a miracle or sadly to say this, a tragedy. >> one tragedy after another, we can go back to columbine in the 1990s -- >> we have to keep building towards it. between now and 2016, i think we're on a different trajectory. but i think trying to do this, a, before 2014, when we already know midterm elections, i'm going to go back to lower turnout, it is the most difficult terrain. you need elections that bring a lot of people to the polls. and, second, some of the most mother na margi...

Filmed from the gun side of a u.s. apache helicopter, the video first shows an attack on a group of men in baghdad. and then on a van trying to aid the wounded. the video continues with another engagement, about 20 minutes later. >> to me, the most shocking part of the video comes at the end. >> i'm going to come around, get some more distance. >> roger that. you're clear. >> there's some confusion, maybe shots from nearby. all of a sudden, they zero in on a group of guys entering a building. >> there's at least six individuals in that building with weapons. >> we can put a missile in it. >> t...

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