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In fact, they got their name from a guy on cnbc. they were grassroots, they created themselves, they were not even clear what they stood for, except they are right wing. somehow the republican party grabbed them, galvanized them, and used them to take over the congress. speaker boehner is there because of them. they may be pains in the butt, but he's there because of them. how does barack obama deal with that? >> first of all we have to wait to see whether it's a comparable movement. this is about 19 days old, it seems to be -- it started in new york, and has now spread cities across the count...

And felt free to really criticize and throw grenades. >> bret: fred, democratic strategist pat caddell says he thinks it's the most powerful movement since the antiwar movement he has seen in his lifetime. that's a bold statement. do you agree with russia all these groups can come together under a republican label. >> no. i agree with mara. she says they already have, and i think that's true, what's happened. she mentioned particularly the election. virginia, new jersey, massachusetts. the tea party were indistinguishable from others who are normal republicans. the truth is they have the same ...

And felt free to really criticize and throw grenades. >> bret: fred, democratic strategist pat caddell says he thinks it's the most powerful movement since the antiwar movement he has seen in his lifetime. that's a bold statement. do you agree with russia all these groups can come together under a republican label. >> no. i agree with mara. she says they already have, and i think that's true, what's happened. she mentioned particularly the election. virginia, new jersey, massachusetts. the tea party were indistinguishable from others who are normal republicans. the truth is they have the same ...