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Along with bannon, giuliani and the rest of the conspiracy posse, he is helping to create profound distrust in the american political system and in the american public health system and ultimately in american democracy. the eventual consquensequences their actions may be genuinely stolen or disputed election in 2024 and political violence on a scale the u.s. has not seen in decades, end quote. applebaum calls michael lindell, the pillow's guy name a lover of myths. she wrote the profile as a warning of how dangerous he is. ann applebaum joins me now a fellow at the john hopkins school of inter...

That? >> it was awful. these are dungeons. we were in dungeons. that's were people kept before they were shipped off. it was terrible to realize that you had been housed in those horrid conditions, black people, africans had been housed in those horrible conditions for months sometimes. and then that journey across the atlantic lasted for months and then when you got there, what did -- >> to think that that was a choice, right? >> that's not a choice. >> and to see the producer stand up because i realize a lot of people are like why are you giving this guy oxygen -- >> he has a platform. and y...