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Abuse of power where a guy put his own political interests first before the countries and used the state apparatus to make it happen, i think he has a problem on his hands if people believe the integrity of the pursuit that's involved. >> i agree with you rather than going back channel, this would have been preferably to be done directly between the ordinary processes of the department of justice and the fbi. we're in agreement on that one. i think that in retrospect that's an error in judgment. but ultimately, the worst that you can say about that is that is mal administration. that's short o...

Quite possibly, the state department doing the political work of donald trump. he's basically running his re-election campaign out the white house on u.s. taxpayer dollars and with employees of the federal government. >> i want to talk to you about this foreign policy student, you're an expert on this thing. what we see here it seems to me is everything is coming from the top, that this political opponent, this rich guy put in the european union, he's not a diplomat, he's working for trump. >> that's right. he's a political appointee, u.s. ambassador to the eu european union. ukraine isn't eve...

If you are president trump how much power do you have by ukraine by withholding that aid? >> hoax, my gosoh, my gosh, the. we have thousands of troops in europe who are there in part to deter russian aggression against ukraine and europe. russian aggression, attacks that are going on right now and that aid included javelin missiles which are anti-tank weapons designed to make sure that those russian tanks cannot invade ukraine and put our own troops ultimately in jeopardy and trump decided for reasons that are otherwise inexplicable to stop that assistance. >> one other question i want to ask ...

And l.a. pd commissioner. and when you were in l.a., it was the days after 9/11 when this issue of freedom of speech versus national security was in sharp relief, as illustrated by the patriot act. it does seem with politically motivated hate-motivated crimes and what we should be calling domestic terrorism at this point, that conversation is going to come into plan. this guy put something on 8chan that seemed to imply an attack. how do you navigate that world? americans really enjoy their constitutionally protected privacy but the social media and the digital world are becoming the place in w...

Because this guy put something on 8chan that seemed to imply an attack. how do you navigate that world? americans enjoy their constitutionally protected privacy, but social media and the digital world are becoming the place in which these ideas are communicated. >> one of the unanticipated, unintended consequences of the internet was that it was going to connect us all. the idea of the billions of people in the world were going to be connected, nobody, i think, anticipated the acceleration of the use of the internet in its various manifestations for the spread of hatred. isis, for example, dif...