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Of discovery -- >> bill: the bottom line on any appeal is this: did the guy do it? and i think that your co-counsel was pretty clear in his statements after the trial that he didn't have any beef with what was presented and the way it was presented and he just thought the judge and everybody else did the job that they are required to do? >> and we have appellate courts because one out of five times judges make the wrong decisions in the course of their employment. it's a wrong judgment call at the wrong moment. that's what we're going to explore on appeal. >> bill: you sound like a stand-up gu...

Of discovery -- >> bill: the bottom line on any appeal is this: did the guy do it? and i think that your co-counsel was pretty clear in his statements after the trial that he didn't have any beef with what was presented and the way it was presented and he just thought the judge and everybody else did the job that they are required to do? >> and we have appellate courts because one out of five times judges make the wrong decisions in the course of their employment. it's a wrong judgment call at the wrong moment. that's what we're going to explore on appeal. >> bill: you sound like a stand-up gu...

Of discovery -- >> bill: the bottom line on any appeal is this: did the guy do it? and i think that your co-counsel was pretty clear in his statements after the trial that he didn't have any beef with what was presented and the way it was presented and he just thought the judge and everybody else did the job that they are required to do? >> and we have appellate courts because one out of five times judges make the wrong decisions in the course of their employment. it's a wrong judgment call at the wrong moment. that's what we're going to explore on appeal. >> bill: you sound like a stand-up gu...

Actually protect themselves and the people who depend on them by rooting out abusers and adopting policies to prevent abuse. and that isn't what happened here apparently. you can see the fallout as a result. jon: your group advocates that people in positions of trust or authority should be screened. background checks done. if there had been such a check done on this guy sandusky would it have shown anything unusual? >> background checks are just one part of it and it's really about talking with people about checking references, about following up on hunches. listen when people mention that som...