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Employee. means heap is not an expert. south by southwest is having him on. more of a novelty aspect. when i heard the guy talk. he is intelligent. he snuck off with the crown jewels. an in time of the nsa and intelligence organizations. if he is nobody. walked out with crown jewels. what does that isaisay? >> you have access. >> i digress. i digress. but i digress. let me try this other thing. which is to say. i don't have to call the guy a hero. it was important. a very fundamental. >> ho[ bleep ]. >> fundamental discourse about programs no one knew about

On for more of a novelty aspect. >> when i have heard the guy talk, he is pretty intelligent. if in fact he is all of these things and the fact that he apparently snuck off with the crown jewels is an dement of the the -- an indictment of the nsa and the rest of the organizations that were supposed to be stoping them. if he is nobody and he walked out with the crown jewels what does that say about the community of people? >> this is between having access which you do as a success stems administrator. >> i digress. i digress. let me try this other thing. >> i am really uncomfortable right now. ...

Letting that guy talk in that way kind of assuming that he was among friends there while he was doing it, i thought was scary. i completely agree with you. and i think the president will have to be more assertive here. i think in one of the things that could dog the president in the last year or -- last two or three years of his presidency is this nsa issue more than he realizes because that goes to the heart of his constituency and goes to his roots and rising. that goes to his background as a constitutional law professor. what gives here? this is the kind of thing if that guy had said this d...

They allowed him to be -- >> sean: for the legs blowing off? >> they allowed to be interrogated and once the public interest was on the decline -- >> sean: an eight-year-old kid? >> that we will be able to determine and find the necessary information to put this man away. i absolutely believe that. >> on the welfare aspect of governor patrick shutting that down for the sake of privacy right, i think everyone on welfare should be public information 'cause we're paying for it, especially when it comes to terrorists. the reason why he's doing this in the name of privacy isn't because of privacy. ...

First guy talk -- first, he's out there, rand paul, like he's elected for a couple months and comes out there and immediately slams, guess who? who's he trashing? >> take your pick, mitch mcconnell, mitt romney. >> john mccain. >> john mccain is who he's -- >> look at the division here. >> wait a minute. get to this point. let's let him have his point. here's the guy, new voice of the republican party, he and the guy from texas, ted cruz, trashing all the people that have been there before him. >> right. but he's out there saying, we need new ideas. what is the new idea? it's liberty. marco ru...