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This sort of intergovernmental espionage against a duly elected president. >> laura: dinesh, part of me doesn't take any of this seriously. i take issues seriously like what's happening with china, on the move, in australia, places like africa, buying up interests, making deals, that's the future we have to deal with, the idea that the democrats give a you know what about ukraine aid -- they care about one thing. what do they care about, dinesh? getting power back, right? >> yes, absolutely. this is all a ruse. the problem with their fictional narrative as i see it is that reality keeps intrud...

Service to this country for 20 years, he's a veteran, a lieutenant colonel in the army. he did ten hours of duty today before republicans and democrats, and according to our sources, he told lawmakers the white house rough transcript of the call was mostly accurate. good. and he said he was concerned that the president should not be asking a foreign power to investigate a u.s. citizen. also turns out one person he raised his concerns with was his twin brother. this guy vindman has a twin brother who works at the nfc's ethics office. he also reported the concerns to the nsc's lead counsel. his ...

Do, this is what politicians do. >> and just as important, it's what's being done to him, this guy vindman, shady. he's not really american. he only came here when he was 3. he's from ukraine, you know. and volker, he's a mccain guy, you know? sondland, him you can trust, he's one of ours, but these others, they're deep state. that's why the whistle-blower matters, andrew, because it's shady. and who is he and what are they and what's going on in the process is shady and everybody's out to get me. the president works this very well to great effect and everybody's got to be very aware of it. no...

Normalize the behavior. he put it out so quickly that there wasn't really a buildup of everybody looking for it and fighting about it and making it a big thing. he's got it out there and tried to normalize this behavior to convince ultimately the american people that this is okay, this is normal, this is what people do, this is what politicians do. >> and just as important, it's what's being done to him, this guy vindman, shady. he's not really american. he only came here when he was 3. he's from ukraine, you know. and volker, he's a mccain guy, you know? sondland, him you can trust, he's one ...

Alexander vindman is the man of the moment. who is he? he's national security council's top ukraine expert, he's been in service to this country for 20 years, he's a veteran, a lieutenant colonel in the army. he did ten hours of duty today before republicans and democrats, and according to our sources, he told lawmakers the white house rough transcript of the call was mostly accurate. good. and he said he was concerned that the president should not be asking a foreign power to investigate a u.s. citizen. also turns out one person he raised his concerns with was his twin brother. this guy vindm...