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>> let me go to -- let me go to david on the same question, because i do think we can argue and we're going to do it here as we've done about the screw-ups regarding affordable care. they are there. they are talked about. but getting into motive. did he lie. and using the word lie. not that he was, what the president's been saying, look, i tried to do something, i thought it was going to work one way. the market didn't react the way i thought it would. i thought i was telling the truth, it didn't work out that way. but to call the guy a liar is to say he's a liar and it seems to me, the -- pol...

It drives them crazy, and they're doing everything they can now given the opportunity to try to drag him down to their level. and that's what dick cheney is up to. >> let me go to -- let me go to david on the same question, because i do think we can argue and we're going to do it here as we've done about the screw-ups regarding affordable care. they are there. they are talked about. but getting into motive. did he lie. and using the word lie. not that he was, what the president's been saying, look, i tried to do something, i thought it was going to work one way. the market didn't react the way...

Attachment to reality. >> and now for more weird and creepy, joining me now are steve, a political columnist for salon and msnbc analyst and richard wolf, an msnbc political analyst. we will now spend a few minutes discussing the weird and creepy. starring newt gingrich. mr. alec baldwin sat in that chair last night and said, all you have to do in the obama campaign is run newt gingrich stuff, which they are not doing. >> it's clear to me that even in a presidential primary in the same party, harsh words are going to be exchanged. what gingrich said about romney stands out for two reasons. one...

>> and now for more weird and creepy, joining me now are steve, a political columnist for salon and msnbc analyst and richard wolffe, an msnbc political analyst. we will now spend a few minutes discussing the weird and creepy. starring newt gingrich. mr. alec baldwin sat in that chair last night and said, all you have to do in the obama campaign is run newt gingrich stuff, which they are not doing. >> it's clear to me that even in a presidential primary in the same party, harsh words are going to be exchanged. what gingrich said about romney stands out for two reasons. one, unusually vicious p...

Ads that were placed in iowa were against newt gingrich and saying let's not go to-- >> maybe now, and sorry. >> will it go to mitt? mitt goes, that's not me, that's these guys. if you break a lamp in your living room and tell your parent, it was your friend, and it's so clear. what if you make it all the way and become the nominee, what are you going to call obama? for the presidential race, you call your fellow republican a liar. >> they released a pamphlet on gingrich. one of the those vile things i've heard about and gingrich and a baby and it was just, it's gotten so bitter out there. i d...