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I mean, doesn't half of you think they're going to plead the fifth hoping to stretch this out long enough that this ends up getting to 2024 and then maybe trump gets back in and he pardons them? >> oh, sure, yeah. >> the thing we have learned is that they can delay this as long as they can. that's how trump defeated litigation his entire life. they're hoping for trump to be able to rescue them, the same with bannon and roger stone before. but also they can't do anything about subpoenas to go to third parties. part of freakout is that the phone companies have received the subpoenas. they're not...

That they can delay this as long as they can. that's the way trump has defeated litigation his entire life. they are hoping for trump to be able to rescue them, the same way he rescued people like roger stone before. but also, they can do anything about subpoenas that go to third parties. so part of the freak out here is the phone companies have received the subpoenas. they're not interesting in delaying, defying, and breaking the law. so, they've handed over the information. that's something these guys can't control. and i think that's why so many of them are squealing right now. >> what we s...