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Been very lonely for the last couple of years. in here you say, the mandate brouhaha is truly much ado about almost nothing. when did you guys discover, just out of my curiosity, when did you discover that there really isn't an enforcement mechanism in this mandate? >> we were going through congress, interviewing people as the bill was being written. >> yeah! >> in 2009 and '10, and the senators, by the way, in both parties were talking about this mandate, and you may remember, up until the end, the insurers were on board with reform. they jumped off and moved into opposition because the manda...

Op-ed piece in the "l.a. times" today with your co-author and welcome to my little club that's been very lonely for the last couple of years. in here you say, the mandate brouhaha is truly much ado about almost nothing. when did you guys discover, just out of my curiosity, when did you discover that there really isn't an enforcement mechanism in this mandate? >> we were going through congress, interviewing people as the bill was being written. >> yeah! >> in 2009 and '10, and the senators, by the way, in both parties were talking about this mandate, and you may remember, up until the end, the ...