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Hack america, how putin cyber size and wikileaks stride to steal the 2016 election. when we see someone like this pop up in the news, obviously the mueller questioning is notable. we don't know automatically where he fits in. what is your view of the significance? is this some guy or more than that? well, first you have to understand just exactly are the oligarchy fits into the russian chain of command. they are civilian, captains of industry the robber barons of the former soviet union who became rich after the soviet union collapsed and when russia liquidated all of its assets and became a c...

It was totally conclusive, strong, powerful. >> we should note the senate investigation into russian interference is ongoing, and of course there is special counsel robert mueller's investigation. here with us tonight to talk about it, clint watts, former fbi special agent and member of the joint terrorism task force. his new book out next month is "messing with the enemy, surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians, and fake news." . and malcolm nance, a veteran of naval intelligence, special ops, with 35 years working in counterterrorism and intelligence. he happens to...

Of cia, fbi and nsa about what they did and continues to ignore, i think, the real challenges to our system of government by what the russians and others can do, it -- it undercuts any effort to try to deal with this issue comprehensively, strategically and thoughtfully. >> that was a clip from a video by the committee to investigate russia featuring advisory board members representing more than 90 years of collective intelligence experience. they want americans to understand why russian interference with american democracy is a big deal as well as the dangers of the president of the united st...

Wave election one party over another, they could validate that by hacking the party that is not in power. that's the democrats right now which would throw the entire process into chaos because you wouldn't be able to determine whether it was a legitimate win or whether now the nefarious russians are some other third-party has assisted them. and you would have the grounds for practically civil war. >> i just want to repeat for our audience the title of malcolm's book, the plot to hack america, how putin's cyber spies and wikileaks tried to steal the 2016 election. malcolm, when did you write it...

There. >> joining me now, russian american journalist, a writer at salon. ben hopkins, and malcolm nance, msnbc terrorism analyst. also author of "the plot to hack america, how putin's cyberspies and wikileaks tried to steal the 2016 election." i'm going to go to you first, malcolm, as you heard jeff sessions. is he right? is this so complex that the u.s. is barely scratching the surface of this meddling? >> no, the issue is not complex at all. the issue is that social media has been weaponized in order to influence entire electorates by foreign actors. we got more than enough warning by the c...