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Secondly what hold do they have if any? this is out of character. the second thing is the russians we know tried to intervene in the american election and tried to rig the election against hillary and in favor of trump we now know a lot of trump people were in touch with russians during the trump campaign. was the trump campaign colluding with the russians to subvert an american election and was the candidate colluding? >> if that were the case it would be one of the most exclusive scandals in american history, right? and there's no evidence that we have access to that says that that's the cas...

Secondly what hold do they have if any? this is out of character. the second thing is the russians we know tried to intervene in the american election and tried to rig the election against hillary and in favor of trump we now know a lot of trump people were in touch with russians during the trump campaign. was the trump campaign colluding with the russians to subvert an american election and was the candidate colluding? >> if that were the case it would be one of the most exclusive scandals in american history, right? and there's no evidence that we have access to that says that that's the cas...

That the reaction to everything, instead of taking some pro-action is going to hurt them in the long run. they're not acting like people are trying to get the truth out. they're not trying to open the doors and get the answers. they are always having answers that half explain or fail to explain the charges that are suggested by what's going on. the jeff sessions interview today, or his press conference. as chris matthews raised, it made no sense for him not to know what was going on in the headlines of all the major papers but yet he's saying he's having this meeting with the russians unaware ...

jared kushner and michael flynn. do you think that's a recognition that they have to get out ahead of some of this stuff? >> i think they have to realize that they have to appreciate that the reaction to everything, instead of taking some pro-action is going to hurt them in the long run. they're not acting like people are trying to get the truth out. they're not trying to open the doors and get the answers. they are always having answers that half explain or fail to explain the charges that are suggested by what's going on. the jeff sessions interview today, or his press conference. as chri...