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>> at a minimum, this report shows the man who released the e-mails hacked by the russians met with the man who ran donald trump's campaign and had longstanding ties to russia. at a crucial time, again, before the e-mails came out. that's a minimum. now maybe you want the maximum. well, the maximum legal theory we hear would suggest that the head of trump's campaign could coordinate either the hack itself, or the way it was deployed, with wikileaks, against the domestic political opponent in the united states. all of this comes at a time where you might be thinking, why do i have to process th...

That you just referenced. >> it so we knew that there was some kind of communication going on because it would take people in the american political system and in this campaign particularly to say, drop the wikileaks now, get them out there because we can distract the press from the really horrible video of trump admitting to sexual assault. >> it would seem to some that hillary clinton believes that it's a given that elements of the donald trump campaign colluded with russians, not just on the hack itself, but the timing of the email dump. do you believe that as well? >> i think that's what m...

Our country in ways that had us hiding under our desks in grade school but with big ticket items, missiles with -- measured in things like throw weights and it was visible, it was muscular. one of the subpoints of your article is how small ticket, how meek this may look to some people but how incredibly effective it's been. what kind of war are they waging? >> it's an extension of the cold war in terms of tactics and let me just start by saying this and i thought your posing of the questions in the beginning was a very intelligence and essential thing to do because it slows this down so we don...

All grew up the cold war was about then the soviet union and our country in ways that had us hiding under our desks in grade school but with big ticket items, missiles with -- measured in things like throw weights and it was visible, it was muscular. one of the subpoints of your article is how small ticket, how meek this may look to some people but how incredibly effective it's been. what kind of war are they waging? >> it's an extension of the cold war in terms of tactics and let me just start by saying this and i thought your posing of the questions in the beginning was a very intelligence a...

About the hack itself, a lot was a repudiation of donald trump's comments about the hacking. >> reporter: they were. at the start of this hearing, john mccain asked the director of national intelligence on his way out, james clapper, whether he puts any credibility in julian assange. julian assange was cited by donald trump yesterday in a tweet casting doubt on the intelligence community assess thamt russia was behind the hacking. mccain asked jim clapper whether he put any credibility on julian assange and james clapper said very honestly no, he did not. he was backed by other intelligence co...