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Is that correct? >> i think you have succinctly illustrated the complexities that you run into. >> so that is why, as thrilling, as somebody who has written the precursors before and stolen passwords as part of ethical hack testing, i was paid to do this, that underscores the need for us to really be educated about the nature of this battle space, and how more often than not, it's probably more prudent to seek a response that isn't a cyber response, given the fluid nature. we are in an environment now where we see a threat and we build a weapon system. it's on the water, it's in the air, and i...

May not be aware of our presence, is that correct? >> yes. >> and so that is why as thrilling as somebody who has written the precursors to fishing before and stolen passwords as part as ethic hack testing, i was paid to do this, that underscores the need for us to really be educated about the nature of this battle space and how more often than not it's probably more prudent to seek a response that isn't a cyber response given the fluid nature i mean, we're in an environment now where we see a threat and we build a weapon system. it's on the water, it's in the air, it's on the ground, and then...