is that correct? >> i think you have succinctly illustrated the complexities that you run into. >> so that is why, as thrilling, as somebody who has written the precursors before and stolen passwords as part of ethical hack testing, i was paid to do this, that underscores the need for us to really be educated about the nature of this battle space, and how more often than not, it's probably more prudent to seek a response that isn't a cyber response, given the fluid nature. we are in an environment now where we see a threat and we build a weapon system. it's on the water, it's in the air, and it's on the ground. and we kind of counter that threat and we come up with war plans to use that capability. in cyber space, weapons systems get created in 24-hour cycles. you have no earthly idea whether or not you have a defensive capability against them. so if you all of a sudden think,