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Your column. you wrote a fascinating piece about how the obama administration basically just sat on this issue of russian meddling until hoops. donald trump won. >> long before the 2016 election, russia was engaged in widespread cyber aggression against the united states. the president at the time, barack obama, and all of his intelligent chiefs, john brennan at the ca, james clapper at national intelligence, james comey and his predecessor robert mueller at the fbi, they were all well aware that russian state backed hacking groups were engaged in this cyber espionage. they didn't do anything ...

>> back to the point about the grandmothers. okay, karen, legal director efor the national immigration center, thank you for joining us. >> thanks so much, keir. a new twist in the ongoing russia probe raising questions about the actions of former trump national security adviser mike flynn during last year's campaign. the "wall street journal" reports republican operative peter smith tried to gain access to the e-mails he believed were stolen from hillary clinton's private server. the journal reports smith working independently from the trump campaign contacted hacking groups, including some...

Democratic strategist, i want to start and in school, whhow do w know what we know? we know a lot of why russia were behind it. donald trump however said we don't know, ron, we just don't know. >> well, these two hacking organizations within russians known as apt, 28 and 29 advance persistent threats. when they engage in this type of a pattern, it is obvious of the trade craft that's been used and these hacking groups are using and all the signs were reflected of the successful attempt of the dnc as well as clinton

The hackers that work for these organizations. so i.t. professionals can know what to look for if they see activity with these hacking groups. the problem with this is that you publish this information, declassify this, it becomes publicly known and those spy services can simply change their operations. they'll change their tactics so we expect that's what's going to happen in the next few days. >> and one has to wonder if you're going that now and this has been common knowledge in the intelligence community then why not have done that before? don't you open yourself up to that criticism when ...

Quickly take us back to earlier this fall. nbc news reported this hacking was going on, that it was believed to have a russian government element to it, and we said that individuals in hacking groups were doing the actual hacking, but then it was directed by the russian intelligence and the gru, and we've seen all of that come to bear today. so when we got the names just a while ago, we started running them through the various databases and talked to who he started to talk to, and alexsey belan has been wanted for his role in a january 12 and april 2013 hacking, he has two other arrests connec...