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Senior pastor at the tiny grove baptist church in usaa tennessee and author of the book "no surrender." pastor, good morning to you. >> good morning. it's a joy to be with you. steve: it's an amazing story that we had not heard before. and you hadn't either. the whole time your father was on this earth, he never told you what he did. how did you figure it out? >> yeah, he never mentioned it. and really, all that's been accomplished, the lord has done. i have been providential. i began rereading his diaries when my daughter lauren was attending a college in our local town. welcome to fowler, in...

Off are practically zero. the only question is would he be returned to the united states. >> i was going to say, at least at this point we think he is in hong kong and will chinese officials turn him back, extradite him. we have to wait and see. let's get to the subject we were going to discuss, the whole question of surveillance. rich, the president met today for the first time in his presidency with the, let me get it right, privacy and civil liberties oversight board which i am ashamed to admit i had never heard of. apparently the president hadn't either. it started in 2004, but this was it...